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Paul
03-03-2010, 02:43 AM
The Pacific (http://www.hbo.com/the-pacific/index.html)

Homer
03-03-2010, 02:48 AM
i saw the commercial to this earlier

Thunderstorm
03-03-2010, 03:21 AM
I wish I had HBO to watch this. :(

colemountain
03-03-2010, 07:06 AM
I'm gonna go order HBO just for this...

GYPSYMOB
03-03-2010, 01:10 PM
Yeah I'm going to order it just for the few months its on.

Jonathan
03-03-2010, 01:34 PM
keeping my eye out for this one, are they filming now or does it run soon?

82dcustomer
03-03-2010, 02:07 PM
link says March 14th. I can not wait Band of Brothers is one of my favorites.

Romeo98
03-03-2010, 02:13 PM
Don't have HBO so I guess I'll have to get my The Pacific on by other means...

Paul
03-03-2010, 07:56 PM
You don't need HBO to watch it. :D

Bad Karma
03-03-2010, 08:19 PM
this mini series is gonna make all the shows on my tv green with envy.... envy hates the excellence that it can not equall to:P

Smirnov
03-03-2010, 08:52 PM
GOOD! They are finally gonna show the theater of the War that the US won. ( they dont need to talk about China or korea, or any other place that the ussr liberated) At least the Americans forced a surrender, They did not have the stomach to fight street to street like the Red Army in Berlin!

Band of Brothere seem to neglect that the Soviets Won that war by taking Berlin, Still a good mini series.

phishhead
03-03-2010, 10:52 PM
It looks like band of brothers in the pacific theatre.

Win
03-04-2010, 09:39 AM
GOOD! They are finally gonna show the theater of the War that the US won. ( they dont need to talk about China or korea, or any other place that the ussr liberated) At least the Americans forced a surrender, They did not have the stomach to fight street to street like the Red Army in Berlin!

Band of Brothere seem to neglect that the Soviets Won that war by taking Berlin, Still a good mini series.

This was a really funny post. I am glad that the Soviets did the street to street fighting. How many russians lost their lifes doing it? How many were shot by their own Officer's for not going forward to die? Man I am glad we had the Soviets to give up most of her people to win the war. Pretty cool of the US and UK to sit back and let them do the work. Damn shame we couldn't get them to fight the Jap's.
If you like to read. I mean really really like to read. Get the book "Body guard of lies". It is about as long as "War and Peace". It gets really boring in some parts and really great in others. But most of you would be suprised to know we sided with the Soviets over the UK on how to fight the war. Sure we supported the UK with weapons, planes and ships. Really it was a group effort by a lot of Countries to win the War. Would the Soviets ever got out of Russia with out the US and UK starting other areas of the fight? No. Could have the Soviets held on with out food and ammo shipped to them by the US? No.
So really who had the better War plan?
Soviets : move forward no matter what the cost to human life.
UK: Lets fight a war of lies and deceptions.
USA: Let the Soviets waist human life and beat the Germans down. We will just take Africa, Italy, France, Poland. Sit outside Berlin and watch the Soviets get chewed up so they have the right to say they took the place.
I know I rather have been a troop in the US army than one in the Soviets.
I am really looking forward to the next HBO show. I hope it shows how hard that Japan fought this War. How they caught us off guard and not really ready to fight a war. I hope it also shows what happens when the USA is attacked and how fast we can put a army on the battle line to fight a war and win.

Smirnov
03-04-2010, 10:54 AM
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This was a really funny post. I am glad that the Soviets did the street to street fighting. How many russians lost their lifes doing it? How many were shot by their own Officer's for not going forward to die? Man I am glad we had the Soviets to give up most of her people to win the war. Pretty cool of the US and UK to sit back and let them do the work. Damn shame we couldn't get them to fight the Jap's.
If you like to read. I mean really really like to read. Get the book "Body guard of lies". It is about as long as "War and Peace". It gets really boring in some parts and really great in others. But most of you would be suprised to know we sided with the Soviets over the UK on how to fight the war. Sure we supported the UK with weapons, planes and ships. Really it was a group effort by a lot of Countries to win the War. Would the Soviets ever got out of Russia with out the US and UK starting other areas of the fight? No. Could have the Soviets held on with out food and ammo shipped to them by the US? No.
So really who had the better War plan?
Soviets : move forward no matter what the cost to human life.
UK: Lets fight a war of lies and deceptions.
USA: Let the Soviets waist human life and beat the Germans down. We will just take Africa, Italy, France, Poland. Sit outside Berlin and watch the Soviets get chewed up so they have the right to say they took the place.
I know I rather have been a troop in the US army than one in the Soviets.
I am really looking forward to the next HBO show. I hope it shows how hard that Japan fought this War. How they caught us off guard and not really ready to fight a war. I hope it also shows what happens when the USA is attacked and how fast we can put a army on the battle line to fight a war and win.
Seems that you are acting as "what if's" in your posts are forgone conclusions. "What If's" are best left as fiction as that is what they are. Could the Soviets made it without the Allies? The correct answer is "We will never know". The vastness of The Soviet Union is a hard thing to comprehend. Lets deal in facts shall we? Fact the farthest east Advance of the German army was Stalingrad. Stalingrad (Now Volgograd) Is less than 1/4 of the way into the Soviet Landmass. more than 3/4 were untouched by the war. While lendlease supplied many items to the Soviets, Captured German supplies far out weighed what the Allies supplied to the USSR. As for the US and UK drawing off German forces from the Eastern Front, that is pure fabrication. No germans Divisions were pulled from the eastern Front to serve on the western front. An arguement could be made about the remains of the 20th gibergs corp, who withdrew thru from Lappland into Finland only to be force evacuated after the Fins switched sides. These units were rescued by sea and ended up as reserve formations for the Battle of the buldge. This was a case of a united forced off the Eastern Fron that was rescued from the eastern Front , sent to the west to refitt, and rest.
As for Soviet deaths, That may be while Russian veterans are still reveared buy everyone in Russia (EVEN kids), And in the US where our Veterans fought with just as much bravery are ignored and forgotten.
As for Soviets fighting the Japs, They sure did! My wifes Granddad Timofee Kuzlov, Was pulled from German occupation duty and Fought the japs in Manchuria and China!
BTW. What part of Poland did the US take????? I am lost on that one :s The US did take a small chunk of Czechoslovkia.
While the Soviets liberated
Russia,
BelaRuss
Ukraine
Latvia
Lithuania
Estonia
Bulgaria
Hungary
Romania
Yugoslavia
Austria
Poland
most of the Czech lands
Not to mention most Of Germany.

Not much funny about the post if you ask me.

BoogerRed
03-04-2010, 10:56 AM
Ah fuck me half way to next Tuesday

What was a thread about an upcoming show about war in the PACIFIC is now ANOTHER damned Russia vs USA trainwreck.

Dave and Dave go kill each other for Pete's sake.

Damn I need keep the browser closed and go back to my Photoshop

Smirnov
03-04-2010, 11:01 AM
Ah fuck me half way to next Tuesday



AAhhh, Booger, I do not belive that I am up for that. I suggest you go looking for that Afghani in the Video i posted in the Black Hole. He might be able to help you out,

Paul
03-04-2010, 11:05 AM
Hey, how about that new miniseries, the Pacific? I hear it's going to be a good one...

Smiley
03-04-2010, 12:09 PM
Hey, how about that new miniseries, the Pacific? I hear it's going to be a good one...

Is it about the Russians fighting? No you say?! Guess I'll have to watch it and appreciate the veterans that fought for my freedom and allow me to live in this great country.

Paul
03-04-2010, 01:34 PM
Russians?? How did THEY come up? I can't wait to see it.

My father in law served on a tin can destroyer, was at Guadalcanal, and his ship was sunk not long afterward, leaving them adrift for 3 days before he was rescued. He cried every time he thought of his shipmates. My great uncle suffered during the Japanese occupation of Southeast Asia. He was tossed into a death pit and left to die, but somehow he made it out. My family has never forgotten the cruelty of the Japanese.

BoogerRed
03-04-2010, 01:50 PM
I lived two years in the Marshall Islands. Best two years of my life but was the site of a nasty WWII battle. Japanese Bunkers and gun emplacements are still very much around.

Faceman
03-07-2010, 07:34 PM
This was a really funny post. I am glad that the Soviets did the street to street fighting. How many russians lost their lifes doing it? How many were shot by their own Officer's for not going forward to die? Man I am glad we had the Soviets to give up most of her people to win the war. Pretty cool of the US and UK to sit back and let them do the work. Damn shame we couldn't get them to fight the Jap's.
If you like to read. I mean really really like to read. Get the book "Body guard of lies". It is about as long as "War and Peace". It gets really boring in some parts and really great in others. But most of you would be suprised to know we sided with the Soviets over the UK on how to fight the war. Sure we supported the UK with weapons, planes and ships. Really it was a group effort by a lot of Countries to win the War. Would the Soviets ever got out of Russia with out the US and UK starting other areas of the fight? No. Could have the Soviets held on with out food and ammo shipped to them by the US? No.
So really who had the better War plan?
Soviets : move forward no matter what the cost to human life.
UK: Lets fight a war of lies and deceptions.
USA: Let the Soviets waist human life and beat the Germans down. We will just take Africa, Italy, France, Poland. Sit outside Berlin and watch the Soviets get chewed up so they have the right to say they took the place.
I know I rather have been a troop in the US army than one in the Soviets.
I am really looking forward to the next HBO show. I hope it shows how hard that Japan fought this War. How they caught us off guard and not really ready to fight a war. I hope it also shows what happens when the USA is attacked and how fast we can put a army on the battle line to fight a war and win.

flame much?

Smirnov
03-07-2010, 08:06 PM
Win is a good guy. He joine the Service when we all hated the Soviets, Too bad he missed 1991. We dont have to hate them anymore and like soldiers around the world at all time periods the should be given credit for their actions. No one ever said the US Soldier's were not brave or did not fight well. THe Army did not defeat the Nazis. They may have helped but the Soviets RED ARMY is what caused Hitler to put a bullet in his brains.

Splatmaster
03-07-2010, 08:36 PM
Unfortunately a few million Soviets wound up just like him to get to that point...

Now, as for the second two pages of this thread...

http://cdn3.knowyourmeme.com/i/14367/original/killwithfire.jpg

Smirnov
03-07-2010, 08:56 PM
Unfortunately a few million Soviets wound up just like him to get to that point...


And your point is???? Even Comrade Stalin said "You can not make an omlette with out breaking A few eggs"

SilverGeneral
03-07-2010, 09:49 PM
I am really hoping this series doesn't dredge up any anti-Japanese stuff... Cuz then I'll have to defend them too!
You can shoot down my Socialist tendencies, but when it comes to Japan, it gets personal... even if I'm not Japanese at all, haha.

I've been looking forward to this series for several months now, can't wait to see it!

Thunderstorm
03-07-2010, 09:54 PM
I am really hoping this series doesn't dredge up any anti-Japanese stuff... Cuz then I'll have to defend them too!
Because they didn't do any really f'ed up things during that war. :roll:

Or do you mean scenes with "this is why Japan is EVIL!" subtext? Cause I hate that shit too.

SilverGeneral
03-07-2010, 09:57 PM
Because they didn't do any really f'ed up things during that war. :roll:

Or do you mean scenes with "this is why Japan is EVIL!" subtext? Cause I hate that shit too.

Oh don't get me wrong, the second one. Haha, sorry about that.
The second one for sure.

Edit: That and "Japan did this then, so the modern Japanese suck" crap. They cleaned up their act, but some people don't get over stuff.

Paul
03-07-2010, 11:20 PM
Oh don't get me wrong, the second one. Haha, sorry about that.
The second one for sure.

Edit: That and "Japan did this then, so the modern Japanese suck" crap. They cleaned up their act, but some people don't get over stuff.

I was gonna say...hehe.

Unfortunately, the capacity for grevious harm and terrible abuse dwells within every human population.

Highland_Raider
03-07-2010, 11:26 PM
for the record, I had a grandfather and two great uncles fight in the pacific war. I am convinced we let the Japanese off FAR too easily, for the atrocities that the Imperial Japanese forces committed. their engineering efforts to rebuild Iraq are a step towards repaying their debt, but I remain to be convinced that they won't do it again if times get tough. Oldest trick in the book: if things go badly, start a war. that way you can convince the shaken, and beat down the unbelieving.

SilverGeneral
03-08-2010, 06:08 PM
What the explitive? Dude, do you not realize how racist you're being? And don't say "I'm not being racist," because you are. First of all, all those people from back then are DEAD now, or are close to it. So you're not insulting those Japanese, but you're insulting the Japanese as a whole. What debt to repay? Last time I checked, dues don't carry over to the next generation. Or should we start persecuting the modern Germans because they "haven't paid their debt yet?" What about the US? When is it going to pay for slavery, and Native American persecution, and all the other shit it's done?
Think before you type crap like that. The idea the modern Japanese have to "pay" for anything may be the single dumbest idea I've heard in a long time.

Paul
03-08-2010, 07:45 PM
As a nation, there is a lot to answer for that they still refuse to address. But that's for another topic?

Smirnov
03-08-2010, 08:04 PM
for the record, I had a grandfather and two great uncles fight in the pacific war. I am convinced we let the Japanese off FAR too easily, for the atrocities that the Imperial Japanese forces committed. their engineering efforts to rebuild Iraq are a step towards repaying their debt, but I remain to be convinced that they won't do it again if times get tough. Oldest trick in the book: if things go badly, start a war. that way you can convince the shaken, and beat down the unbelieving.

Not Racist, 100% accurate. The US leadership did not press war crimes agianst the Japan's forces because of the location of Japan in relation to the Soviet closed city of Valdivostok, and the US was interested in the Advances that the Japanese made in the feilds of chemical and Bio warfare.
In the ETO German Officers and enlisted men were tried an exicuted in the thousands after the war for their crimes and violations of the laws of land warfare.
In the PTO the inperial Japanese forces had only 2 highranking Officers exicuted. The kid gloves approch insured that the Kind occupation would carry favor with the Japaneese.
ETO needed no kindness, If the allies did not try the criminals as a whole the Soviets were sure to do it on their own!
The Japaneese got expedincy over justice.

Paul
03-08-2010, 08:38 PM
This is for another discussion, but if you guys want to know the full tragedy of how lightly the Japanese war criminals got off, read this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

This is not symptomatic of today's people...but I'm sure, as with any group of people, if you give the right catalyst, the behavior that is discussed in that wikipedia entry is not far away. For the Japanese it was their ancient belief that those that were NOT Japanese were sub-human and savages, and not worthy of human consideration. Add to that the deep seated Japanese cultural belief that the defeated are dishonarable and shameful, and you have the tragedies that occurred. :(

SilverGeneral
03-08-2010, 08:49 PM
I'm not denying the horrible things that the Imperial Japanese military did, and that it was bad for them to go unpunished. But again, those people responsible are dead or will be soon. The average Japanese civilian owes nothing to anyone because of the choices their forerunners made.

And thank you Paul for pointing out that plenty other nations, including America, have done horrible things. Does Hiroshima ring a bell?

Paul
03-08-2010, 09:00 PM
Man, if you dig back into human history - you don't even have to go back too far - you will find it littered with the corpses of the innocent and watered with their blood. My brothers never get it when I tell them, "That's human nature!"

Smirnov
03-08-2010, 09:10 PM
OK now we are just being silly! Hiroshima was a Shining moment for the US in ww2. Years of work and tax payers money that in a few moments proved to the Japaneese Generals that they could no longer substain a war agianst the USA. This and the bombing of Nagisaki Saved the lives of hunderds of thousands of US service men who would have died taking the Home Island. It likely saved the lives of many Japaneese who would have had to defend Japan agianst the US invasion. Hide for history all you want twist and bend it all you wants but the Facts above are facts. It ended the war a lot faster and with less bloodshed, than if we had no bomb

SilverGeneral
03-08-2010, 09:15 PM
And 199,000 innocent civilians! Isn't that f-ing GREAT Smirnov! I sure think so.

Splatmaster
03-08-2010, 09:17 PM
And thank you Paul for pointing out that plenty other nations, including America, have done horrible things. Does Hiroshima ring a bell?

If you mean that bomb that killed several thousand while saving the lives of an estimated MILLION american troops along with probably 30 to 40 PERCENT of the ENTIRE japanese population, then yea, that rings a bell. How could you NOT use a weapon like that?

Now, point out the massacre of Indians, the trail of tears, the Mai Lai(sp?) massacre in Vietnam, or something actual tangible.

SilverGeneral
03-08-2010, 09:19 PM
Now, point out the massacre of Indians, the trail of tears, the Mai Lai(sp?) massacre in Vietnam, or something actual tangible.

Already hit those, without any rebuttal.
Well, two of them anyway.

Paul
03-08-2010, 09:21 PM
Pol Pot, the Khmer Rouge, and the killing fields...argh. Waaay off toppic, ha ha!

Smiley
03-08-2010, 11:39 PM
For the record, we killed more people in the Doolittle Raids than we did with the combined A bomb explosions. The Japanese were relentless with their fighting, I'm honestly surprised there aren't more movies about the Pacific. It's a really brutal part of the war.

Thunderstorm
03-09-2010, 12:17 AM
And 199,000 innocent civilians! Isn't that f-ing GREAT Smirnov! I sure think so.

As opposed to the lives of our servicemen that would have been lost invading japan I think it was a great idea. Then to the "innocent civilians" (no i don't believe civilians are innocent during a war, on any side), maybe there would have been less causalities with an invasion, maybe more.I don't know. I respect their "never surrender" attitude, but when someone won't surrender you have to kill them outright, or the fight never ends.

Splatmaster
03-09-2010, 08:00 AM
Honestly, do some research of the preparation of Japan for the American invasion. They were handing out bamboo spears to the entire population. SPEARS! Woman and children were supposed to charge the american forces and die, no matter what. ALL of them. They had THOUSANDS of suicide boats and planes spread out around the coastlines, along with around a few million still very capable infantry soldiers. We were estimated to take a million casualties. A MILLION! The bomb saved untold numbers of lives. And thats that.

Splatmaster
03-09-2010, 10:57 PM
So, did you guys see Jake Dellhome cry on tv? And the panthers lost peppers? Whole new season this year! Lets go Cardiac Cats! :woot:

Paul
03-09-2010, 11:01 PM
Hey! There's this new series called "The Pacific" that's coming to HBO! And soon, too!

Thunderstorm
03-09-2010, 11:06 PM
Hey! There's this new series called "The Pacific" that's coming to HBO! And soon, too!

Wait a second, I've heard of this series before but I can't remember where... :?:

Oh yeah, now I remember it was at the beginning of this thread before Smirnov derailed it.

GodOfDaTwinkies
03-09-2010, 11:35 PM
Keep the discussion on topic. SilverGeneral, Smirnov, if you two want to argue about who has dumber national loyalties then take it to PMs. This isn't the place.




*edited to correct spelling of names.